Potential ending discontinuityEdit

There has been a lot of discussion regarding the continuity of the final scene and if Atlantis should have lasted longer. It's kind of obvious there won't be any conclusion to this discussion, which doesn't even belong on this talk page. So I suggest we simply mention such a debate exist along with the basic arguments used in the notes section. As for why I put this topic on the top, the rest is just subject discussion which does not belong on the page. Thomsons Gazelle (talk) (Contribs) 14:24, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

No HeadlineEdit

I saw that a previous version of this article was removed because it contained too little (actually none) information. I hope this one does. —GeneralDuke 12:56, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

@Matthew R Dunn: I saw that you removed this episode's name earlier today because there was no source. I found one, so it checks out! ;) —GeneralDuke 15:39, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, I see now. Thanks for notifying me. -- Matthew R Dunn 16:18, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

It's kind of cool, yet somewhat depressing as it's the last episode of SGA, that this episode airs on my birthday. So I'm feeling some mixed emotions here.—Anubis 10545 23:43, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I dread the thaught of Carter being in command again, I like Woolsey much more. Sman789 21:51, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Slight mistake: Sam won't be promoted to General but to Brigadier General, as that one follows Colonel. Before gaining the rank of a full General, she would have to get promoted to Major General and Lieutenant General, respectively. GeneralDuke 22:29, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Where did we find that Carter would be general? I haven't seen it anywhere, so I'm questioning if it's true, especially because it was put on the episode's page by an unregistered user.—Anubis 10545 00:26, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

I haven't found anything about Carter being promoted, so I added "cite needed". However, while looking for evidence, I stumbled upon this! :-) GeneralDuke 14:32, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

You know what, its gonna suck if Samantha Carter becomes a Brigadier General. I see her more of a Colonel and I liked General Landry being in charge of the SGC! Tau'ri 21300—Tau'ri 21300 06:23, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

She's more of a scientist. While she is in the military, it doesn't fit her personality to become a General... if that makes sense.—Anubis 10545 07:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I added info from the December 15-21, 2008 issue of "TV Guide" (pg. 33) about this episode. RE687 01:29, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I found it strange that Woolsey welcomes Ronon to Earth. If I remember, Ronon already was on Earth at least twice (once when Sheppard's father died and once when McKay was captured). Accidental continuity error?--Amitakartok 22:39, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I found that strange too. If anything, they should have welcomed Teyla. I don't recall her being on Earth before.—Anubis 10545 07:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
That's right, everytime the team had to visit Earth, Teyla was left behind to boss around. She only caught a glimpse of Earth when she shared Sheppard's memories in Home (season 1) and even that was a hallucination.--Amitakartok 19:43, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Teyla had been previously to Earth physically to be formally vetted by the IOA at the SGC. She had her interview some time before Ronon did in episode Midway.Ryan Fruto (talk) (Contribs) 02:09, March 11, 2012 (UTC)


Wow, sounds cool... except for the Daedalus being damaged. I'm always in the mood for a good space battle though. It kind of sounds like it could be directly related to Vegas... or something.—Anubis 10545 06:38, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

  • I wonder if Todd's lieutenant who leads the invasion of Earth is the same one who was the Primary's hive ship commander in The Queen (He was bald Wraith with the goatee thing). Either that or it could be Kenny. (That is if he wasn't killed in Infection).
    • Kenny will be in the episode according to [1]. Tyler McClendon is listed as playing him. Hmm...interesting.

I can't believe I let myself read the description of this episode. Now I have that feeling I get after I finish a really good video game, or when I watched/read the description of Unending. It's sort of a light-headed and mind boggling feeling. I need some time to think now...—Anubis 10545 19:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I know the feeling. Doesn't really happen with games for me, but definitely books and TV shows. When reading a book, I will slow down as I realize I'm getting closer to the end, so that it will last longer. In the same respect, I was massively disappointed when Firefly ended. That said, don't set your expectations too high. The episode is properly EPIC for a series ender, but by no means is it perfect. The whole thing seems rushed, and very important things pass by in the blink of an eye, or are skipped altogether. It feels as though they condensed what would have been the hour long premier of season 6 in with it. For one, the Apollo, Sun Tzu vs. Hive battle is completely skipped, as is the incredibly important wormhole drive. I mean, wormhole drive sounds like something they could dedicate a full episode to. Also skipped is the retrieval of the ZPMs. Given that "Vegas" was what it was (fairly disappointing given it's importance in the grand scheme), these final episodes were clearly written with a season 6 in mind. According to a Gateworld interview with Martin Gero, cast and crew didn't find out about the cancellation until last day of filming "Brain Storm". Otherwise, I couldn't see them dedicating their second last episode to a CSI spoof. Cheers.—Ka'lel 20:51, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
I have yet to actually see the episode, but that's terrible that they don't show the battle with the Apollo and Sun Tzu. ... and Atlantis entering the wormhole thing. It probably was meant to be a two-parter... and it probably would have been better if it was one too. Oh, well... it still sounds pretty cool. Although now I'm pissed they don't show that battle. Also, I really hate rushed episodes. Although all really good episodes seem rushed when I first watch them though. But by the sound of it, they cut out scenes important to the plot. As I said before oh well... —Anubis 10545 20:55, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Actually, another important point to note is that what was leaked (all anyone's seen so far) is a DVD screener which was sent to press before the episode's completion. Some of the CGI is unfinished, and it's possible for minor plot points and dialogue to change before final release. However, the episode already runs 42 minutes long, so it's unlikely much more can be included. We'll just have to wait and see, and I most definitely plan on watching these episodes again in 720p. That's also why I haven't uploaded many images, the screener quality is pretty bad. —Ka'lel 21:07, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

watch? Edit

who of you watched this episode already? AND PLEASE RESPOND!Tau'ri 21300 01:23, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm confused , Has this episode aired already. It has not air'd in America yet.


Hey don't worry, I haven't seen it either, you are not alone. I'm trying very hard not to read everything, just some things, so I don't get too spoilt. -- Matthew R Dunn 01:53, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Me too, I haven't seen it either. Although with all those screen shots I've been uploading and articles I've been creating/editing, I've been trying not to spoil it for myself... but it looks like that didn't work out to well.—Anubis 10545 05:38, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
what i meant was had anyone watched this episode on some website, cuz alot of you already got alot af pics and information that i was getting so curious on how so many of you noe wat happened before the show even aired.—Tau'ri 21300 00:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
It's written all over this website exactly how people have already seen this episode. It's written here, here, here, at the top of this page, and here. Probably other places too. Your wait nearly is over, it airs officially in roughly two hours. Breathe. —Ka'lel 00:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Kenny Edit

Hey, who killed Kenny in the episode and how??? I kinda missed that. Unsigned comment by WarGrowlmon18 (talk • contribs).

AR-1 rushed in when he was about to interrogate Ronon. Looks like John shot him. —Ka'lel 03:17, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh my God, you killed Kenny! You bastards! (couldn't resist) :P
You couldn't see THAT one coming a mile away... —Cmantito 04:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

The information about it being Kenny that has betrayed Todd is faulty. The actor behind the Wraith that brought Ronon back to life was indeed Tyler McClendon, but it was NOT Kenny. He probably remained on board of Todd's own Hive, in temporary control over it while Todd went to warn Atlantis after he was betrayed by his scientist(s). - GoSpikey 12:53, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

But we don't know for sure that it is not him either, because in the beginning of the episode, Todd said one of his underlings was responsible for the whole series of events. -- Matthew R Dunn 13:50, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I do, because I'm active on GateWorld, and the actor paid the group of Wraith fans that are on there a visit, and told us so. Besides, their tattoos are different. GoSpikey 17:21, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, if it is true, then you are free to remove the EATG part of the "Kenny" article, and then use the information to create another page (say "Wraith (Enemy at the Gate)"). -- Matthew R Dunn 22:13, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


I'm upset. I really would have liked to see Sci-Fi channel run some sort of "Good Bye Stargate Atlantis, Thanks for 5 amazing seasons" commercial like they did after the last episode of SG-1. Instead they ran a crappy 5 second SGU spot. As for the episode, it was kind of rushed... although it was still pretty awesome. In the words of Richard Woolsey "This is an historic Day". I think that pretty much sums it up :) —Anubis 10545 06:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

They can't congratulate every stargate series just for being stargate, SG1 ran for a longer-than-usual 10 seasons, which was why it was given such a sendoff. Atlantis only lasted 5 seasons which is typical for many TV Series-- 12:41, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Plot Part 2 Edit

I have noticed alot of wrong things in the Plot of "enemy at the gate", but this part i really got confused! It 'WAS' a fact that Atlantis' shield's would be powered up as long as there is power and that there would be 'NO' percentages and that the energy from any weapon would 'NOT' leak through it, but in this episode, that was just what they did!—Tau'ri 21300 12:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

You used a double negative, so I don't really know what you're asking. But I'll take a crack at it. Whatever you think happened in Enemy at the Gate that has you so confused, didn't. The opposite happened. Atlantis' shields worked just fine. Does that help? —Ka'lel 15:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
I think he means when they said "shields down to 70%" or something like that, and when there were sparks flying in the Control Room. I tried explaining that at the bottom of the weaknesses section of the Atlantis shield article and it seems pretty sound.

oh, i understand now y the shields were losing power. yeah, its a big ship, was meant to just be a flying city, thats all. and a space battle wasn't wat it was designed for. shoulda saw that one. beckett even said that he didn't have enough power. atleast Atlantis survived =)

the only stupid thing i found in this last episode was the fact that john didn't jsut go to the control chair and demolish the super hive while it was in lunar orbit. hell, he couldve destroyed the darts coming at him aswell....

and another thing, where the hell was the Oddyssey? on a secret mision? what the hell is thta mission! hopefulyl we'll find out during the movie. maybe its to another galaxy lol. the atlantis expedition doesn't get to find out and ren't they supposed to have the hgihest security known to mman, living in another galaxy and all.—SupremeCommander 18:21, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Let's see, John is in Colorado Springs, the Super Hive is in Earth Space nearing orbit, the Chair had JUST been moved to Area 51 ***in Nevada*** and so the drones were probably still in storage from the move, and they don't have any 304s around with its Beam Transporters. How exactly did you expect John to make it in time to Area 51 and what was he expected to fire once he got there?Ryan Fruto (talk) (Contribs) 02:20, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

As the Odyssey is ZPM powered too, it probably could have seriously crippled the hive ship, which would have destroyed the plot. They couldn't let the Odyssey loose because it's sooo powerful so the best thing that the writers could do was just leave it out all together. Although it would have been coll if, at the end, the Odyssey exits hyperspace over Erath guns blazing.—Anubis 10545 20:54, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
That would be like in the series Battlestar Galactica where in the Battle of New Caprica, the Pegasus starts firing its weaponat the basestars to buy Galactica time!
What makes you think the asgard phasers on the oddyessy would be any better than the daedalus's? The physical guns were only designed for the power outputted by Asgard generators. The weapons on the hive were purpose built over a period of months to handle more power from a ZPM. Extra power can only go so far if the systems can't use it. Yes it's shields may last a little longer, but inevitably you would have needed drones to destroy them from a ship unless your shields could last hours. Sman789 01:42, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
In EATG, Col. Caldwell said "Full power to the beam weapons" (or something like that), which shows that Asgard Plasma Beam Weapons can fire a more deadly stream of plasma depending on the power provided. That, in conjunction with the more powerful shields and engines, would have made the Odyssey last longer in battle. I'm not saying that much longer, or that it would win... but it would last longer. It would also probably help if Tau'ri ships didn't just stay in one spot or fly in a straight line during every battle. I mean, there are a few (like the battle of Asuras) where they're not, but almost everywhere else, the ship stays stationary.—Anubis 10545 04:02, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Im sure they can handle a little more energy than they usually get but I dont think they can channel enough ZPE at the wraith ship to do any form of major damage, the difference would be minor. Also, if I may ask, are the SFX any different on the proper aired version than on the leaked one? And do we get to see the wormhole drive? Sman789 21:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
The SFX does seem to be better, but no, the wormhole drive isn't shown :( —Anubis 10545 01:46, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

The SFX are finished and it's most apparent during the battle between Atlantis and the Hive. Beckett's firing of so few drones doesn't look as pitiful when the massive explosions are added. I'm in the process of updating a lot of the images from the unfinished copy. —Ka'lel 04:22, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Thats the thing I really dont understand about the battle. Why on earth would you fire one drone at a time at the hive. If he'd done what O'neill did on lost city P2 the hive would have been vapourized instantly, the combination of the energy fields of all those drones could easily burn through the hives hull, even with its extra-denseness. I mean, he was basicly ignoring the only advantage of drones over energy weapons, which is that they go through stuff, and in big enough numbers, any stuff!!!. And seeing as atlantis' 3 ZPMs were only powering the shield to hold in air when Atlantis first arrived at earth (the hive didnt fire until after atlantis did,) there should have been more than enough power to fire them all at once seeing as you only need one ZPM not even at full power to do it. Also whilst they were en route they mabye could have programmed the atlantis chair to make use of all the antactic drones too allthough probably not. (SG1: "Lost City, Part 2") Sman789 23:06, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Sman789, I think you may be overlooking the fact as to who is in the chair. We all know from Rising, et. al. that Beckett, despite having a high CIA, is not the very best at controlling Ancient Technology. The fact that he manages to fly the ship, and land it, is in itself quite impressive. And on top of that, we have no idea how the Wormhole drive taxed the ZPM's, but there even Zelenka said it would require massive amounts of power. That, coupled with damaged systems, might have limited their firing capacity. As for why they didn't rig the chair to the Ancients Weapons Platform in Antarctica, the reason is simply that they didn't know that the had to. Atlantis still believed that the chair was intact, and was probably expecting Sheppard to be firing by the time they got there. Hope that clears up some confusion.--Nmajmani 16:08, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Now that the ori and all there followers are gone why couldn't they use the core to make weapons to defeat the wraith in enemies at the gate What was general O'Neill doing that he couldn't go to Atlantis to control the city or go to area 51 to control the chair? It would have been quicker than getting sheperd or safer than having carson fly the city

Carson said he can't fire and get onto a higher orbit at the same time due to not having enough energy. You say, "he has 3 ZPMs, there's NO WAY he won't have enough power"? Well, Critical Mass (season 2) says that ZPMs explode when too much power is drawn from them at once, that's why they have a failsafe to prevent them from overloading. So, operating the shield, the drones and the stardrive at the same time is more than what 3 ZPMs can handle. Why there isn't a fourth ZPM then? Well, why make Atlantis able to evade enemy fire when nothing the Ancients knew could penetrate the shield (even though Rodney could easily rig a fourth ZPM into Atlantis' primary power conduits)? Plus, dodging would probably eat up more power than just enduring fire and blasting them to bits, seeing that a ship of this size requires immense propulsion and inertial dampening.--Amitakartok 19:41, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

In reply to Nmajmani's points, Carson should have learned before using it just what drones can actually do, and we've seen the intuitiveness of Ancient control chairs on Auroras and the Time Jumper, so that shouldn't have made much of a difference. As for the power issue, the wormhole drive was off, so although Atlantis would have had less total power left, there's no reason why it shouldn't have been able to output more of it at once (as the chair in Antarctica did). As for Amitakartok's point, Atlantis wasn't dodging and it wasn't having any trouble maintaining orbit until after the Wraith fired, so I doubt that was much of a power drain. Finally, if they knew that only a small amount of power would be available to the drones, then why not pre-charge them? Or if drones don't have any batteries, charge a capacitor and then link that to the drone power transmitter wireless thing. Basicly, my point is that Atlantis should have been able to unleash a full drone tornado at that hive ship and rip it to shreds within seconds of leaving it's wormhole. Sman789 (talk) (Contribs) 14:11, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

I think the plot's just a massive goof. They didn't bother to think much of the logic and wanted Earth to be saved by a "speed and stealth"-mission rather than a space battle.(Which dosen't make sense either, because the mission could have been to aquire some zpm:s to power the city) For example, if the only weakness of wraith technology were the generators, why didn't the ancients use at least some of it?Thomsons Gazelle (talk) (Contribs) 10:07, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Keller Edit

Was I mistaken and missed her early on, or did Keller only appear in about two scenes really late into this episode? -- 22:08, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

i only remmber seeing her when Woolsey goes to tell her about the wormhole drive and to be at the ready cuz they were gonna be under fire in a few moments if they survived the jump—SupremeCommander 01:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Keller was given only two scenes in the episode, before they enter wormhole space, and at the very end. That is indeed her only moments in this episode. --Nmajmani 03:41, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Jennifer Keller was supposed to be in another scene in EatG, but it was cut for time. Perhaps it will appear on the DVD extra's, I don't know. If it was even shot...

Anyway, she was supposed to check Todd post-Iratus Queen feeding session. It was supposed to establish that Todd now has his feeding hand back, and is once again a full Wraith, eating humans included. - --GoSpikey 13:06, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Gate Priority Edit

The thing I found to be confusing, from a technical standpoint, was this gate-priority business. As far as we had been informed, (based on information from Talk: The Pegasus Project and other sources iirc, Milky Way gates shouldn't work in Pegasus and Pegasus gates shouldn't work in Milky Way -- that would make both what they did with the hive ship, and that babble about the Midway workaround irrelevant or at least, incorrect, unless I'm missing something. In addition, WHY would a Pegasus gate take priority over a Milky Way gate? Especially considering that they don't share symbol-sets (now I know that with Atlantis dialing earth that issue would still exist, but I rather assumed that that was the function of the control crystal -- to convert Pegasus symbols into Milky Way symbols). Any thoughts from anyone else? —Cmantito 04:15, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Im Guessing that the Pegasus gates have priority over Milky Way gates because they were ALOT more advanced.—Tau'ri 21300 05:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

First off, the control crystal is simply a security precaution. It allows the 8th chevron to lock, without which they can't actually dial the other galaxy. Any pegasus gate can dial a milky way gate. As for the priorities, the Ancients probably made the pegasus gates prioritize in their design. As such, the wraith simply used the gate to block incoming wormholes, and to deactivate the SGC gate. And then... Dr. McKay can fix anything, I'm sure he could simply dial the equivalent milky way symbols on the DHD for the Alpha site. --Nmajmani 03:02, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Excellent explanation! —Cmantito 10:48, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Then why is it that a Pegasus gate can stop a milky way gate with the same PoO from even dialing out? The two gates still work completely separately from each other and there is no reason why two gates in the same system cant dial out independently, its only incoming wormholes that a Pegasus gate can intercept.-- 12:46, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

If Pegasus and Milky way gates work in each others galaxy, why did the Ancients even design a different one for Pegasus?—Anubis 10545 23:13, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Probably to come up with technology. The pegasus gates are the digital equivalent of the milky way gates. As such, new galaxy, need to build a gate with different symbols, why not improve the hardware and the OS a bit. It's like if you moved to a new house, you'd probably get new tech installed, but your old home would still have old tech in it, unless you took the time to upgrade. And as far as I understand, the Ancients simply abandoned the milky way network, making the task of replacing each gate essentially pointless. Just think how many gates they built for Pegasus, and I don't think they ever mentioned how long it takes to build a gate. As for redesigning it a bit, it's mostly cosmetic, just bringing the entire spinning ring to a set of 36 screens. It dials faster too.

Another thing worth mentioning is that we have no idea how long it was between the Ancients arriving in Pegasus (Several million years ago according to Rising) to when they decided to build new gates. For all we know, they could have been using the milky way design for millennia before redesigning. It could be that the new gate was a more recent invention, but that is purely speculation. --Nmajmani 03:35, 17 January 2009 (UTC) I noticed an amusing glitch: the event horizon is computer-generated and added post-production, right? If you look closely during the scene when the guys leave Atlantis for the hive, you can see their reflection on the floor when they are supposedly not on Atlantis anymore (they are behind the gate)! Not significant, but amusing. They should've removed the reflections or make the floor matte.--Amitakartok 19:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Minor formatting..

I'm not sure if it's just me, but the image File:AShieldSpace.jpg is overlapping part of the text, if that wasn't there i would recommend this page for a Featured Article... I use a widescreen monitor (1920x1080) which may be the reason, but every single other page on this and other wiki's display perfectly fine...

I tried to correct the mistake with a : but it seems like the wiki omits it when there is no text trailing... Hmmmm i might try <br> ASTL0001Jenkins08 Chat | Contribs - - 12:17, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Ok that fixed it for me, hope it didn't ruin the look of the page for anyone else... When i preview that section without the <br> it looks fine but when its in the article it screws up... ASTL0001Jenkins08 Chat | Contribs - - 12:20, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
Another thing worth talking about -- if the pegasus gate takes priority over the milky way gate, then doesn't Atlantis immediately become active gate for all the SG teams? It should be a lot busier at the end. 22:12, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
McKay already knows a way to override that problem. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 22:16, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Once the SGC found out that there was a Wraith Hive heading towards Earth the would of diverted all teams to the Alpha, Beta, or Gamma site and then would of began evacuation procedures when the Apollo and the Sun Tzu failed to stop it. Lordqaz (talk) (Contribs) 22:20, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

"Did you get that on tape?"Edit

How is it that after that battle that no civilian or news agency reported it? Did the government just say, "Pay no attention to the GIANT HIVE SHIP or the squadron of 302's or the HUGE FLYING CITY IN SPACE." I understand why no one saw the Battle in Antarctica because it was in Antarctica, but if you watch the episode closely you see that it happened over the western hemisphere of the Earth. Surly some got that on tape.

There was a bit where walter hariman said several comercial vessels in the atlantic or pacific i forget which, were reporting "a giant fireball blazing across the sky" -Atlantis- and also the 302's were in nevada above area 51 so they wouldnt have been likely to be spotted and the hive ship was in orbit so not visible to the naked eye BlueSquadron (talk) (Contribs) 20:45, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

it doesn't matter that they were over area 51 an air battle like that is probably still visible from outside the security zone and it would be detected by civilian radar ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 01:56, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
yeah, there are locals with no lives that just sit beyond the security perimeter and watch area 51 as a pastime, don't tell they are going to star "doctor whoing" their alien encounters (i.e. nobody was looking/didn't care)-- 00:27, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
if you take into account how many ways there are to notice a large-scale air battle with explosions and blue energy bolts...and two massive objects in orbit one of which makes a reentry and the other one blowing up in an enhanced nuclear explosion...radar, satellites, telescopes etc...maybe its on google earth ASDF1239 DISCUSSION 06:56, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
Remember the guy who found the asteroid about to hit Earth? A couple black SUVs show up at your door and you too might be inclined to retract your claims. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 22:15, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Mucho Make-Up:

Did any of you guys notice how much make-up was caked-on Carter's, Keller's, and Banks' faces this time? It's especially jarring to see so much of it on Carter, and no, it's not just the HD playing tricks on my eyes. She didn't have as much on during her time as leader in Atlantis, and being so made-up would be practically unprofessional for a leading Colonel in the SGC. She was also going to be the skipper of the Hammond, how pretty do you need to be when your ship is undergoing her shake-down trials? It was also doubly-jarring for her to walk around with her uniform's blouse unbuttoned, like Daniel used to when they were SG-1. The difference is she's still Active Duty and he's a civilian, she's supposed to button that top or remove it completely.Ryan Fruto (talk) (Contribs) 02:35, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Continuity Edit

Did anyone else notice that the footage where Woolsey says "Keep firing, Dr. Beckett!" is used twice? First, when they begin engaging the hive, then again when they start to fall toward Earth and have to choose between shooting the hive or correcting their course to compensate. Magus121 (talk) (Contribs) 16:07, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Plot Again Edit

Atlantis should have easily won the battle regardless of how tough the hive's hull was, heres why, THEY LEFT FRIGGIN HOLES IN IT (weapon ports) and the drones are intelligent, and highly accurate - instead of aiming for the impenetrable hull fire em up the weapon ports straight into the belly of the ship, game over, atlantis 1, hive 0 14:31, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, they would have exploded inside them creating multiple secondary explosions blowing up the hive very soon or shooting into the dart bay which was very little armored! BUT that would have not made a good plot because ART-1 would have died and that would have sucked. Completly!Portalier (talk) (Contribs) 17:53, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

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